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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2023-11-23 09:04 am

Pets and climate change

 Pets are wonderful.  Cats and dogs are incredibly important companions for many people.

But they also have very high carbon footprints.  The global population of cats and dogs have a carbon footprint larger than the whole of the UK.  The amount of meat they eat could feed 450 million people.

Which is kind of scary...

As I wouldn't dream of asking you to get rid of a beloved pet, I'm asking if you've ever tried vegan pet food?

There are now very good formulations of vegan pet food, especially developed to have the required nutrients for both dogs and cats. Why not give them a try and see if your pet likes them? (there are also some insect based foods, which have low carbon footprints compared to meat)

But, whatever you do, don't try making your own vegan food for pets. Cats and dogs have very specific needs, and food needs to be carefully formulated to include everything necessary.

 

 

 

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[personal profile] lexin 2023-11-23 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a bit wary of vegan pet foods for cats. They are oblate carnivores. My cats eat very good quality cat food and thrive on it.
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[personal profile] igenlode 2023-11-24 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed. Dogs are indiscriminate eaters and are quite happy to eat 'vegetarian dog food'. Cats notoriously require meat (and I have seen it suggested that any cat owner who believes they have gradually weaned their cat onto a vegetarian diet is probably happily oblivious to the fact that their pet is going off and killing its own food and/or eating dinner elsewhere...)
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[personal profile] igenlode 2023-11-29 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/10/3/541
I feel that the last thing the world needs is an attempt to divert highly-processed maize products ("corn gluten meal is nearly 100% digested") to feed cats :-(

Half the problem, of course, is that, as with soya-fed pigs, animals that for millennia have been fed on the byproducts of human consumption (fish-heads and the dubious offerings of the 'cats'-meat man' -- and, at least in the case of farm cats, being expected to hunt for themselves) are now having food produced especially for them, and marketed at their (squeamish) owners.

Cat foods based on black soldier fly seem to have a lot going for them. Not least because cats chase and eat insects naturally.
My rats used to catch and eat moths when they got the chance, which surprised me greatly as rats are not thought of as predators! I imagine desert cats may eat beetles? I believe foxes will, when they can't get dustbins and takeaways...
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[personal profile] igenlode 2023-11-29 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
This one is interesting because they got results they *weren't* expecting, as opposed to the ones they were setting out to test for! (I'm afraid I find the whole idea of cats not being allowed access outdoors likely to be "the predominant cause of obesity", not to mention "behavioural disorders".)

They note that those feeding their cats a vegan diet were more susceptible to food products being marketed as "human grade", "natural", "organic" and "holistic" as opposed to what was actually in them, and that they were also reluctant to admit their feeding practices to their vet because they thought the latter would disapprove or was not qualified to judge...

I have to say I am surprised that 'plant-based' cats apparently ate fruit and vegetables from off the owner's plate; our cats never showed the slightest interest in any 'table foods' other than dairy ones, which they would steal if left unattended (including butter icing, which indicates a very acute sense of smell!) Offering them grapes or cucumber would have resulted in a look of complete disgust and a turned back.

(They were fed on a prescribed diet of dry biscuits which presumably contained a good deal of vegetable/flour product of one sort or another, but they hunted for themselves with a reasonable frequency, to which the vet attributed the good state of their teeth... just as well, since they violently resisted anyone fiddling around with their mouths, and tooth-cleaning would have been a complete non-starter!)
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I'd be wary:

[personal profile] thebobby 2023-11-24 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
  1. Not all the vegan pet foods that claimed to be complete proved to be so. Hopefully that's less the case nowadays but it's something to be alert for.
  2. For the ones that are complete, for all the needed compounds to be present requires industrial chemical synthesis, which will need including in any carbon counting.
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Re: I'd be wary:

[personal profile] thebobby 2023-11-25 10:58 am (UTC)(link)

I'm still around though I rarely have anything to say so I'm often quiet I'm afraid!