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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2022-03-18 09:44 am
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Ukraine refugees

 We've signed up with the government refugee scheme.  Our spare bedroom isn't fantastic at present, but we're starting to give it a good clear out and remove all the stuff that's piled up in there.

It's a nice sunny room with a view over the garden - used to be Henry's room before he moved out to live with his fiancée.

I suspect a  large number of hurdles ahead.- the government scheme does not look at though it's intended to make things particularly easy.

As far as I can tell, you need to contact your own 'named refugee', rather than them running any sort of pairing scheme.  So we're signing up with a couple of charities that work with refugees.

It does strike me that trying to find people who mesh well is important both for refugee and host.  Even such a basic question as smoker/non-smoker wasn't on the form I just filled in.  

If I'm prepared to host a stranger fox six months, then we need to have some commonality or we'll drive each other crazy.

Likewise 'kid-friendly?'

To which the answer boils down to: "I love kids, but I would not accept an unaccompanied child. We looked after our granddaughter during the early lockdown when no movement between households was allowed.  Dealing with a stressed child who missed her parents even with daily Zoom calls and grandparents there all the time. means I vividly imagine just how great the mental health stress is for a child with no family member present who has just escaped a war zone.

I don't have enough mental health or training to even begin to provide what that child would need.

With a parent?  Maybe. But it would be two people squashed into one room.  Though our two children shared that room for nearly 20 years.

I suspect I'm sounding awfully negative...

We want to help, but we also have to be realistic about what we can provide.  If we over-commit and then back out, then we make a refugee's life even worse.

On a more positive note, I've already checked that Google Translate on my tablet can cope with Ukranian and convert English to spoken Ukranian (and hopefully the other way too)

 

 

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[personal profile] lilysea 2022-03-18 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
Also, depending on the health issues in your household/whether you regularly have contact with elderly/immunocompromised people

it might be worth specifying whether you need the person you can host

to have had one/two/three doses of COVID vaccine...
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[personal profile] coth 2022-03-18 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
We have a similar spare room and are considering offering it to a single person, but I haven't registered anywhere yet. We can't do anything until after my knee operation and then Eastercon, so we have deferred the conversation until then.

Meanwhile this charity looked sensible: www.refugeesathome.org

The need is not going to go away, alas.
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[personal profile] kotturinn 2022-03-18 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
You're sounding as though you have thought about the commitment, which undoubtedly puts you in a better position practically.
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[personal profile] ranunculus 2022-03-18 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I might be able to help with names. Some of my tenants are Ukranian and have both family and friends as refugees. USA isn't doing anything as far as we can tell to make it even possible to host people.
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[personal profile] sallymn 2022-03-19 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
I think you are right to seriously consider what you can offer and keep offering; it's better to state any needed restrictions now, rather than take someone without thinking it through and then finding they can't stay, which would be devastating (especially for a child!)

Of course, it's easy for me to say, all I can give is money.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2022-03-19 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
*wandering by via network *

I don't think they are doing much of any kind of compatibility checks or such on private accommodation here in Germany, but then no visas or obligations are tied to it afaik. Will the refugees in the UK be tied to their hosts? That sounds like a bad idea, open to abuse, like visas tied to employers.

The normal refugee housing capacity of my city of thirty thousand was already 90% full at the start of this, mostly with Syrian and Afghan refugees, and then some fifteen thousand Ukrainians in the city now have to sleep somewhere, so they have had to put up tents with cots, because they ran even out of space in the halls that they always convert first. And ask for volunteers to take people in. Of course they are also trying to find hotel rooms and put up more sturdy trailers and containers as barracks, but all that takes time.

So I think private accommodation is pretty random here, like even just hosts and arrivals being at the train station at the same time in the repurposed tourist information point.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2022-03-19 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah it makes sense to do checks and such if you want to set up something stable and the government is in a position to take the time to do that, because they can pick people to come. Having all the people already here presents a different sort of problem than such resettlement schemes.

Some coming here already have connections, not just families, e.g. a local firm had employees in Ukraine and organized an evacuation for them and their families and are for now staying with their colleagues.

But mostly people just seem to come because Poland is at its capacity to cope with some two million refugees there now. And apparently the state in Poland isn't doing that much, it's all on the volunteers. I can't imagine how that is going to hold up. So they will have to spread out more.

I think plenty of people would like to go to the UK because they already know English, so if the UK actually is willing to take significant numbers, even the extra hurdles with visas and matching won't matter, because staying in Germany or France or other EU countries may not need that paperwork now, but not knowing the language is probably a worse barrier to overcome when you need to stay for months or maybe even years.
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[personal profile] vera_j 2022-03-20 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
This is very thoughtful from you. There are over 250 000 refugees is CR and still pouring in. We have already problems, of course. And even though solidarity is enormous, people start commenting on the fact that Czech people in need won´t get such support...
Accommodating the refugees at home for longer time is not easy...they are mostly women with children...there is a language barrier even here.
This war must be stopped before it escalates. But even now we will pay dearly for it. We are deep in economic problems NOW.
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[personal profile] vera_j 2022-03-22 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
All this is getting worse than we are able to bear...We are too small a country for this. Poor people keep pouring here and we have already big, big problems. Our republic is in an emergency status and the authorities ordered every municipality to accommodate certain amount of refugees. The owners of recreational facilities have to accept them - and this will be end of solidarity, knowing our people. In our village, 10 refugees have to be accommodated, in case of dire emergency our local pub will have to equipp a big dancing room for basic needs (there are toilets and water and gas heating). You really can´t imagine. War is just behind our door. Covid is unimportant here now. We are reallyy really scared. All is extremely expensive - energies, fuel, food!, no construction materials are available together with other items that are necessary for economy...I know I can handle it but what about my children and grandchildren!!!What can they expect...
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[personal profile] vera_j 2022-03-22 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, these people really don´t care about the issues of environment at present. They had to leave their lives behind and they just want to stop and feel safe...There might be pschological problems...I do know that young people in Ukraine speak English well but I am not sure about older ones...
But thank you very much, dear friend. Every help is great. Because we never know...