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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2015-12-02 06:12 pm

Climate Change

 I've been sort of promising myself that I'd do a series of posts on saving energy and the like.  It's difficult, because when I'm stressed I find it very hard to deal with comments from climate change deniers.

I'm not sure if there are any reading my journal these days, but if you are, just consider this a series of posts on how to save money.  Almost anything that helps reduce carbon emissions has good chances of saving money as well.

It's the Paris conference now. Whatever governments decide is unlikely to be enough to save us from a 2C rise in temperature by the end of the century. It may/may not be enough to save us from a 4C rise.

I have a granddaughter.  This is the world she will inherit. 

Governments alone cannot do it, but if we  all act as individuals, then it becomes possible.

When did you last look at your carbon footprint?

There's a calculator here.

According to the calculator, I need 1.72 planets to maintain my lifestyle.  However, there are some  assumptions in the model that probably mean I'm a bit lower than that.  In particular, our household uses very little hot water (there was no question of how often you bath/shower/etc).  We also have solar panels (which don't generate masses but help a bit) and get all our electricity from renewable sources.  (About 5% of our gas is renewable and Ecotricity hope to increase that over time)
I've just realised that I didn't factor in food grown on the allotment, so that will be a small gain as well.

I doubt I can ever  get down to one planet, but I'm ahead of most of my friends.

The main reason is very simple, I haven't been on a plane since 2002.

I looked at the environmental cost and I quit. (I used to go to SF conventions in America, and I still miss the friends I made there)

Just one flight across the Atlantic emits as much CO2 per person as a typical year's driving.

I know many people (especially those with family overseas, for whom it's a particularly hard choice) who live very green lifestyles, but who continue flying.  It's the environmental cost people try to overlook, and there's enormous social pressure to overlook it.

I have one friend who did attempt to give it up, and was pushed back into it by social pressure from friends.  

Because the hard fact is that your friends will feel you're trying to guilt-trip them and they only way they can prevent that is by telling you that you're silly, that the plane will fly anyway, that you can offset the emissions, etc.

The truth is that the plane will use less fuel if you aren't on it (or won't fly at all if enough people decide not to go) and that carbon offsetting is often deeply flawed (I'll explain why if you want me to) and in any case does not remove the CO2 that you have emitted for that flight.

This is why I hate to post on environmental issues.  My friends get unhappy.  If I post about how to save energy with a new boiler, then no problem, but when it comes to flying, the vast majority of my friends fly, and those who have also chosen not to tend to keep quiet for exactly the same reasons that I do.

But, I have Oswin to think of.  And millions of other little Oswins with friends and family who love them.  I want them to have a future.  I don't want them to inherit a world with droughts, erratic water supplies, ruined soils, pollution, extreme weather, vanished wildlife.

I'm not an environmentalist because I hate people.

I'm an environmentalist because I love people.
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[personal profile] lexin 2015-12-02 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
As you know, I don't fly for much the same reasons as you. There is much more that I could do for the environment (give up meat, for example, or not have a cat) but I do my small best to keep my carbon footprint low.

Not having a cat is not an option: Smokey is an important part of me maintaining a decent level of mental health.

They didn't ask about showers (I only shower once a week or when I'm going out of the flat, partly because my skin dries out if I do it more often) and they didn't ask about how much you use a car (nil, I don't have a car). So my footprint is probably a bit lower than the 1.92 they estimate.
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[personal profile] ranunculus 2015-12-03 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
Mmmmm.
I shower about 3 times a week, mostly because less than that makes my head itch. Here in California we have water issues too....

Carbon footprint: Occasionally I fly, but I also maintain a ranch where I am actively restoring carbon sinks. In addition, our ranch is under a conservation easement which helps maintain the mature oaks on our land, further locking carbon up for generations. Yes, I probably fly more than my carbon savings allow - but I did sign away a small fortune when we put the conservation easement on the Ranch.

We seriously considered taking our SF house off the grid, however our home uses so little energy it would take 30 years to repay the cost of installation, far longer than the life (not to mention the carbon foot print) of the components. I do want to take the Ukiah house off the grid, but the folks who live there now aren't the right people for that just yet and they live very, very energy frugally.
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[personal profile] kerravonsen 2015-12-03 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I am a friend who is unhappy. Not because of the flying thing -- I haven't flown since I last visited you. Okay... unhappy is not the word. Upset. Because if you, with all your frugality and effort, can only get down to 1.72, what chance do the rest of us have? I was foolish enough to do the calculator (though it's wrong for me for some questions since it's geared to a cold climate) and even with tweaking the wrong questions, I apparently use up 3 planets. Well, shit. Seems like the best thing I could do for the planet would be to kill myself. Because then at least I wouldn't be adding carbon. I try. I try as much as I can. There are some things I can't do, like buy local or buy much organic, or have more than a one-person household, or compost food -- don't tell me I should garden, I have a BROWN thumb. I recycle cardboard, tins, plastic, glass. I buy green power (power from windfarms). I try. And still I apparently use up 3 planets. So what's the bloody point? It's all useless anyway. None of us will ever be able to do enough. We're all doomed.

I'm not angry at you, my dear. I have just lost hope. I have run out of "try".
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[personal profile] frith 2015-12-03 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
3.78 planets. Probably because of the car and the meat. I live in the country, I use my bicycle as long as there is enough daylight and no snow, otherwise there is no train and no bus. I suspect that this survey does not take into account that my electricity is 100% Hydro power. My annual electricity bill is about equal to my phone/internet bill. I don't heat with anything but passive solar and electricity, although I do have a slow-burning wood stove and 7 acres of wooded property from which I can get wood.

Despite getting pressured, I have been on one round trip plane flight in the last 25 years. I think they think I'm afraid of flying. 9_9

I have no clue what the survey meant by "double glazing" and a "condenser boiler".

In the big furniture/appliance question, no allowance was made for buying second hand items. The only thing I bought this year was a glass cabinet. $50, second hand. Still smells like cigarette smoke, but that will fade, eventually.

We are the species that lives by made up rules, even rules that go against nature. To reduce our greenhouse gas production to sustainable levels, there will have to be legislation and penalties across the board.
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[personal profile] kerravonsen 2015-12-04 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, part of me was just in a depressive funk... and it's helpful to consider Gandalf's words: that despair is for those who see the end beyond all doubt. And that we do not see the end beyond all doubt.

I'm not sure it even asked about green electricity

No, it didn't.

You make a lot of jewellery - depending on what raw materials you use, you can potentially have a big saving there.

Well, if I had to stop using aluminium, I'd have to stop making chainmaille! I don't use precious metals in my work; too expensive for a hobby. But I couldn't give up my craft; it helps keep me sane. I do need to start avoiding sales, though - I am buying too much STUFF!

You have no children (though I appreciate it may not have been from choice)

Well, choice in the sense that I never met anybody I'd like to have children with. But not a deliberate choice not to have children, no.

I think part of my despair-funk was that quite often I find just living to be a struggle - even if I don't talk about it, my struggles are there. And there are things where it's a choice between "something which is environmentally friendly" and "something which helps me cope" then I'm going to have to choose the latter. And the "something which helps me cope" also includes "something which takes less mental/physical energy for me to do". I mean, there are environmentally friendly things that are "easy" because they "only take a little more effort" - but I don't have the "little more effort" available to give; not because I'm lazy, but because I simply don't have it.

For example, when I was younger, I used to walk to the supermarket; now I buy my groceries online and they get delivered. The former is more environmentally friendly than the latter, but I can't do it any more.

I'm going to Canberra for Christmas this year. And I will be flying there. One hour in an airplane versus four hours in a train followed by another four hours in a bus. Not. Happening. Though I admit, if there was a train line direct to Canberra I would consider it, because I quite like trains. But not four hours in a bus, sorry, I couldn't do it.

Yeah, Australia is BIG.
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[personal profile] frith 2015-12-05 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Oh. All my windows are like that, except the one on my door (I should put a new plastic film on that soon). I live in Canada, and if you don't have double pane glass or two windows, one in front of the other, you get thick frost and puddles of water.

Oh well, I could have had a lower score, but living high on the hog on fresh food and manufactured everything trucked in from all over the world, we are all living well beyond what is sustainable. I can't get over how people buy bottled water when what comes out of the tap won't kill you, and how every last thing comes in a plastic container. And how low tech low risk incandescent light bulbs are being scrapped in favor of high tech higher risk compact fluorescents.

A carbon tax is a weak solution. There would have to be a downright draconian near elimination of plastics, transport and waste. 3.75 planets. That's a lot of high living.
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[personal profile] frith 2015-12-12 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
I think there's a carbon emission cost associated with the manufacture of plastics. There is an environmental cost associated with the manufacture of all our goods, and I never see it taken into account when comparing, for instance, incandescent, compact fluorescent and DEL lights. If the only cost of plastics is that of transporting plastic waste to landfill, I'd consider it just a small part of the bigger pollution problem.

[identity profile] eledonecirrhosa.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Embarassingly I'm 2.25 planets. I don't know if that's because I eat meat, spend half my life on the bus, or because the council doesn't collect plastic or food waste recycling in my area.

The flights thing... I haven't flown for well over a year, but the economics that is likely to drive me back to it is not crossing the Atlantic - it is (sadly) going to the other end of our own country. Last time I looked at train tickets to see my Mum, the website quoted £400 for the return trip. The plane was about half that. Which is an utterly ridiculous state of affairs.

Trains should be cheap. Planes should be expensive.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I eat meat two or three days a week. Buses are fairly good on the environmental front.

The artificial subsidy for aviation makes my blood boil.

I remember first discovering it about 15 years ago on a train in the Netherlands chatting to a guy who was going to some conference.

Basically, there is an international agreement dating back to god knows when that says there is no tax on aviation fuel. Fuel for trains, buses, etc, is taxed.

This is what is causing the difference in fares. I agree, it's crazy.

I've written my MP about that one, but it requires international agreement to get rid of it.

How many people live in your house? That's often a big one. Our footprint is shared between three of us. Anyone who has a single occupancy house will have a large carbon footprint.

[identity profile] vjezkova.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I am the single occupant of the house but this is a result of how life goes - we used to be a family of four.
But I am sure my life style is not as bad as it seems according to the test. I live quite modestly and I do my best to protect all forms of Nature actively.
I share your fears and I care!

[identity profile] major-clanger.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I have little faith in that quiz, because it gives me no credit for the single biggest positive impact (or rather lack of negative impact) I've had on the environment: the fact that I have no children and never will.

[identity profile] vicarage.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
The How Many Earths argument assumes you want all the all people on the planet to have your lifestyle. It might seem callous to deny them what you have, but it is callous to wish there were fewer of them, and instead of tutting about consumption, tut instead about reproduction.

I find myself reacting negatively when people talk about their 4 children, for example, whether they be western CEOs or subsistence farmers.

[identity profile] lexin.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Anyone who has a single occupancy house will have a large carbon footprint.

I think that makes mine bigger than it otherwise would be, because I'm pretty good apart from that.

[identity profile] lexin.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, that too, for me.

[identity profile] sallymn.livejournal.com 2015-12-03 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Mine's higher than I'd like, though there were a few questions I squinted at (the housing and insulation ones were very northern-hemisphere-centric). They also didn't allow for 'mixed' questions, like someone with both gas and solar heating.

I think my probably worst print wasn't even in there - air conditioning, which we literally canNOT give up in summer, though we use it as little as we can. Other than that, Sis and I do what we can (speaking of, I think our house (bungalow for two) got marked down).
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2015-12-03 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
Living in a flat will help.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2015-12-03 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
Not having children is a VERY big plus.

I must admit that I'd like to see a calculator that includes that.

I stopped at two children because I felt the world was overpopulated, and if I was having a family now, I'd likely stop at one.

You definitely score higher than I do on that point.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2015-12-03 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
You may have your bonus point, and it's a big bonus point.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2015-12-03 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
I fully intend to move onto family size at some point.

I think having more than two children is one of the most selfish things anyone can do.

We need to tackle both consumption and reproduction.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2015-12-03 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, an Australian based quiz would undoubtedly include air conditioning. It's not used much here, though it will inevitably increase as the world warms.

It's a big problem. You're right in that it's very energy-intensive, yet given what I know of Aussie summer temperatures, I know that I would use it if I lived there.

I wonder if there are really imaginative solutions to air con. Are there many houses build underground? Would that make a difference?

White painted roof?

Shade trees?

[identity profile] eledonecirrhosa.livejournal.com 2015-12-03 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Live in a flat (alone), so the big thing can't be that. Also don't drive, keep the central heating at 19 degrees C, have no tumble dryer, have no kids, etc.

I notice that the "how many people live there" question specifically EXCLUDED kids. In which case any single parents will be getting the wrong calculation.

It did ask how much I spent on pets, but didn't ask what the pets are. I suspect that every £100 I spend on my fish is very different from £100 spent by a dog owner. More meat for them, more electricity for me (the filter and light).

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