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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2011-11-23 10:22 pm

Choosing an ebook reader

 I'd very much appreciate people's advice on choosing an ebook reader.

I played with a Kobo (the basic model) in Smiths and very much liked it.  However, reading an online review made me have some second thoughts.

I like it partly because the page control is in a good position for me (bottom right corner), but the review commented that the button was a little stiff and that after 100+ pages the RSI started to kick in.  As someone who's prone to RSI, that's definitely a potential problem.

I have to rest my books on a stand as I can't hold them in my hand, thus buttons in the middle bottom are a pain.

The other catch with the Kobo is that you can't load books from Amazon (though it may be possible to use a site that strips DRM - has anyone used these?)

What are the pros and cons of ebook readers that you've tried?  

I want easy to use, intuitive menus, simple to use controls, bookmarks, etc.  

I'm not bothered about colour or wireless access or annotation, or anything beyond reading books.
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[personal profile] kerravonsen 2011-11-23 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The other catch with the Kobo is that you can't load books from Amazon
I get the impression that the only e-book reader that can use Amazon's books is the Kindle. I could be wrong, though.

(though it may be possible to use a site that strips DRM - has anyone used these?)
I have no data on that, because as a matter of principle, I don't buy or use DRM'ed ebooks.

I get my ebooks from the following sources:
* http://www.fictionwise.com (who sell non-DRM'ed books as well as DRM'ed books)
* http://www.smashwords.com (who only sell non-DRM'ed books)
* Baen Free Library http://www.baen.com/library/ - a range of SF&F books, for free! Baen regard it as, from a marketing perspective, the equivalent of giving out free samples so that people will come back for more. It seems to work, too.
* http://www.gutenberg.org - It's worth checking here anyway, because I've been burnt a couple of times buying an ebook which I later discovered was out-of-copyright and available for free from Gutenberg.
* and lots and lots of fanfic, which I download and convert to EPUB format.

I'm not bothered about colour or wireless access or annotation, or anything beyond reading books.
Good, you don't need them.
* Regarding colour, avoid it! Colour means that the battery life can be measured in hours rather than days. Using e-ink is actually nicer, anyway. I was amazed, when I bought my Bebook Neo, how very readable it was. It's much better for daylight reading than a standard colour computer screen.
* Wireless is overrated. I thought wireless was going to be cool, but I found that it wasn't worth the extra money I paid for it, because lots of sites I tried to browse with the reader looked terrible and didn't work. And it was easier to upload books by connecting the reader directly to my computer anyway.
* Annotation is nice, but ultimately useless if one can't export the annotation back onto one's PC.

I want easy to use, intuitive menus, simple to use controls, bookmarks, etc.

I like the interface on my Bebook Neo; it has a touchscreen, which one uses with a stylus, but also buttons for navigating, which one can use instead of the touchscreen if one is so inclined. You might not like it, though, because the buttons are in the centre bottom of the device. On the other hand, I find it easy to hold the device in one hand and hit the next-page button with my thumb, I haven't found it to be stiff or RSI-inducing, and I'm prone to RSI myself. And I have to say I like using the touchscreen too.

The menus and such on the Neo are straightforward, I think. The look-for-ebooks-to-read part is basically a filesystem browser, so it's up to you to organize the ebooks in folders to your liking. Which is an advantage and disadvantage, because you have to organize it yourself, but on the other hand, you have complete control over how it is organized.

If you want info on the Kobo, ask [personal profile] lizbee, I think she still has one.

Other things to consider would be:
1) is the memory expandable? (with a SD card or a microSD card, for example) It makes a huge difference if you can just put your books on a card and plug it in to the reader; it means you aren't limited by the size of the storage on the reader, because even if the size of the cards it can take is limited, you can put your books on more than one card if need be.
2) what formats does it understand? PDF? EPUB? HTML? Especially if you're going to get your ebooks from different sources, a wide range of format support is essential, unless you want to spend your time converting your ebooks into a narrow range of formats.

And if you can find a user-forum for the reader you're investigating, that can be much more valuable for information about it than reviews, because reviews just give initial impressions, not long-term usage quirks.
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[personal profile] crazyscot 2011-11-24 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm very happy with my (pre-Fire) Kindle.

I like Calibre, which is like iTunes for ebooks - but it works with multiple readers, links to multiple bookstores and tells you in the search results which have DRM and which don't.

I found a DRM-stripping tool for Kindle, runs on the PC, but fiddly to set up. If you buy a Kindle book, you can download it (still in locked form) via your Amazon account, though I suspect that won't work unless you have a Kindle registered to your Amazon account, for obvious reasons! I dare say that something as forward as a website or handy-packaged Windows tool would be shut down very quickly.
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[personal profile] gaspode 2011-11-24 10:51 am (UTC)(link)
BTW - You dont need a kindle to read kindle books - as long as you have the kndle app on phone/pc etc you never need to own a physical kindle - its just connected to your amazon account.

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[personal profile] gaspode 2011-11-24 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
OK - Keep in mind who I am, I've used the Sony's, phones, tablets and PC's for ebook reading. I'm not pro or anti anyone. My first choice would be the new B&N Nook touch but thats not an option for you as its US only - but the Kindle is virtually the same except for underlying bookshop.

So .... the new kindle is really the only sensible choice for a device to be purely used as an ebook reader in the UK. The new reader is amazingly light, fast and responsive and £89 from tesco's. The Kobo has zero advantage over the kindle. Kindle has left and right handed buttons. An alternative may be get a kindle touch from Amazon us which might help with the page flicking.


You can load PDF's and many other types of books on it (Get Calibre - it's let you convert more or less any format into any other format you want - subject to DRM stripping of course).

Of course the 'Best' but more expensive option (except that its a backlit screen) would be a proper tablet - The Galaxy Tab (7 or 10 inch). Basically will let you use any ebook shop and supply with dedicated Kindle, Adobe, Nook, etc. I use my iPad 90% of the time but I have a new Kindle and am happy with it as a lightweight alternative to my iPad that i can use in the bath.

Hope that helps.

[identity profile] da-pol.livejournal.com 2011-11-23 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a Sony PRS-T1 which is the latest incarnation of their e-Reader range. It works with the ePub format and a good few others which are relatively standard, has the same screen as a lot of the more modern readers, but importantly although it has hardware buttons, to flick page you literally flick on the screen - just like you'd thumb a paperback page over. It doesn't care where on the screen you do that and I find it rather more natural than button changes.

It has a load of functionality you've said you don't need, but as a decent reader I quite like it.

[identity profile] reapermum.livejournal.com 2011-11-23 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I've got a Kindle that I'm happy with, but it has buttons in the middle which you say you want to avoid. The protective case I have for it doesn't open like a book but folds up like a notebook and acts as a stand for it, very useful for when I'm reading and knitting at the same time.

I don't know what books you're looking to read but Project Gutenberg now has a lot of its books available in various e-book formats.

[identity profile] cobrabay.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I have the new Kindle 4, which I like, but the ergonomics aren't great. The main buttons are central below the screen, and the forward/back buttons are on the right & left edges which can make it awkward to hold. I like the convenience and the size, also the excellent battery life. Also, I use Amazon a lot, so it fits in well with that.
I was very tempted by the new Kobo Touch, but when my old e-reader died it had not been released in the UK so wasn't an option, and the Kindle was quite a bit cheaper. Even so, it's a very nice bit of kit, and arguably more open that the Kindle. It supports ePub format which I have a lot of, and I currently have to convert those for my Kindle.
My old e-reader could not support DRM, so stripping it off ebooks that had it was my only way to go. Not convenient at all, though usually possible.

[identity profile] esmeraldus-neo.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
I like my Nook, my friend loves her Kindle--neither one handles .pdfs all that well.

I just discovered there's an Android e-reader sold through Best Buy that I'm very curious about.

If price were not an object, I would recommend the iPad without hesitation, because it does e-books, .pdfs, and pretty much any format you could desire--and periodicals look wonderful on them. I don't have one myself, but my SO has one, and LOCUS looks great, ARCs look great, academic journals look great, graphic novels look great...but some of these are specialized uses. (And it does a bunch of other things, but that's beyond the scope of being an e-reader, and they're expensive.)

[identity profile] sugoll.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
The only reader I've got/tried is the iPad, and I was going to eliminate that for the same reasons: way too expensive, because you're paying for a whole bunch of unnecessary stuff in this context (including the name). But it does have the page turning via the screen, rather than buttons.

[identity profile] davidwake.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'm absolutely enthusiastic about the new Kindle. I went from a book reader to an eBook reader very quickly.

It's very easy on the eyes, unlike back-lit devices like the iPad, and very light in weight. The buttons in the middle are only really used when selecting a new book or menu options, reading is simply the side buttons positioned both left and right, so you can change hands if one gets tired. A weird discovery is that you can just put it down on the table and you don't need to hold the book open, nor fiddle with bookmarks when putting it away; you just put it down, no need even to switch it off. It's been very straight forward to download stuff off Amazon. I downloaded a sample of the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, so I could read it on one.

It does PDFs, but so badly there's no point.

The major selling point of the Kindle will be, of course, that my own novella will be out soon ;-)
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[personal profile] paranoidangel 2011-11-24 08:14 am (UTC)(link)
I have the Sony eReader (non wireless version). I like that you can choose whether to turn the page using the buttons on the bottom left or brush my finger or thumb across the screen - you don't have to brush it very hard. The buttons are not that useful if you've got it on a stand, but the touchscreen works (I read with it propped up against something)

Because it has a touch screen you also press on it to choose books, rather than having to endlessly down arrow.

I also particularly like that you can organise books into collections - which is handy when you have more than a page worth of them because you can find the one you want.

The software to load books on it is apparently awful, but Calibre, which is free, is really easy to use and it will convert nearly anything into a format that the eReader will be able to read.

Admittedly, I've only used the Sony and seen the Kindle, so I don't know what these features are like in comparison to the others.

[identity profile] gaspode.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
OK - Keep in mind who I am, I've used the Sony's, phones, tablets and PC's for ebook reading. I'm not pro or anti anyone. My first choice would be the new B&N Nook touch but thats not an option for you as its US only - but the Kindle is virtually the same except for underlying bookshop.

So .... the new kindle is really the only sensible choice for a device to be purely used as an ebook reader in the UK. The new reader is amazingly light, fast and responsive and £89 from tesco's. The Kobo has zero advantage over the kindle. Kindle has left and right handed buttons. An alternative may be get a kindle touch from Amazon us which might help with the page flicking.


You can load PDF's and many other types of books on it (Get Calibre - it's let you convert more or less any format into any other format you want - subject to DRM stripping of course).

Of course the 'Best' but more expensive option (except that its a backlit screen) would be a proper tablet - The Galaxy Tab (7 or 10 inch). Basically will let you use any ebook shop and supply with dedicated Kindle, Adobe, Nook, etc. I use my iPad 90% of the time but I have a new Kindle and am happy with it as a lightweight alternative to my iPad that i can use in the bath.

Hope that helps.

[identity profile] gaspode.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 10:47 am (UTC)(link)
I got mine with Tesco clubcard vouchers BTW ...

[personal profile] aeshna_uk 2011-11-24 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
I can't give a comparison but absolutely love my Kindle. I have the previous version, with the little keyboard, but the buttons at the centre-bottom of the device are only used for selecting material/buying new books, etc, not for reading. Page-turning is via the buttons to either side, which are operated with a light touch of the thumb. I've read so much more since I got the thing as it's small, light, fits in my bag, doesn't end up battered, and I can read it standing up, in either hand, without smacking anybody in the head while standing, which can be an issue on the Tube.... :)

I've not tried it for PDFs, but I know that [livejournal.com profile] mingmerciless uses them on his and seems quite happy with it. And if you're wanting to read fanfic, then Archive of our Own has compatible MOBI files as a standard download option that work nicely with the Kindle (and likely with any other sort of ebook as well!).
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Kindle for me

[identity profile] thebobby.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
I've been through several e-readers; at the moment I use the iPad with the Kindle software.

If you're going for a dedicated e-reader the screens are all the same, you are buying based on book availability and ergonomics. Pretty much all the touch screen devices let you touch anywhere on the right half of the page to turn a page, so near the bottom of the screen should work.

The Kindle currently has two killer features for me: the books I want don't come out in other formats, and the Kindle software allows me to move from device to device with ease - it even syncs where you are in the book so going from iPad to PC, the book opens where you left off.

If you can buy a tablet - either Android or iPad, you get two huge advantages: the first being you can use several e-book shops, the second being you can use it for other things. It's amazing how handy having the internet with you can be, when you're somewhere new, exploring, need to find a shop, etc. It also definitely will have full-screen page turning.

Hope this helps, and you have my mail if you want to ask questions.

Re: Kindle for me

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 11:05 am (UTC)(link)
For me the key thing about dedicated e-readers is the screen; if I were happy reading of an LCD screen then I would use my phone or buy a tablet or notebook computer or somesuch, but I'm really just NOT happy reading entire novels off a backlit screen. obviously a big YMMV there.
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Re: Kindle for me

[identity profile] thebobby.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
When I had a dedicated reader I loved the screen, but I cope well enough with an LCD screen, so when I got an iPad for it's other uses, using it to read books means one less device to handle.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2011-11-24 11:04 am (UTC)(link)
I have a BeBook Club - it had some battery issues when it was new but seems to have settled down. I didn't go for 3G/wireless/etc so I have to plug it in to the computer to put books on it. Copes fine with Adobe DRM and anything DRM free; does not work with books from Amazon (allegedly it is possible to strip the DRM from *some but not all* of the Kindle books - and you can't tell until you buy the book). Good screen, a bit heavier than the Kindle (but also possibly a bit more robust; Kindles are very fragile). Mine has very few buttons (page-forward, page-back, back up a directory level, give me the menu, left, right, up/zoom, down/zoom, OK, and on/off); the directory layout is under my control, the menu is very simple (add-bookmark, go-to-bookmark, change text size, and depending on the format sometimes a few layout options). Rather more pricey than the Kindle - but not tied to Amazon.

[identity profile] birdsedge.livejournal.com 2011-11-25 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
I just gave in and bought a Kindle. I managed to get the Keyboard WiFi version (even though Amazon don't offer it any more) because they had a factory recoditioned one for sale for just eighty quid. I didn't want the one without the keyboard because I hate entering text with up and down arrows and OK buttons. Even though I won't use the keyboard much I prefer to have it. And i didn't want to spend out for 3G when I won't use it.

The new smaller, cheaper kindle has half the battery and half the storage - though this still gives you a month of battery (allowing half an hour a day).

So far so good. I like it. I bought it on the recommendation of a couple of friends who have one each.

There are programmes that will convert other e-book formats to Kindle and the other way round, so you can archive your own stuff (as well as the stuff from Amazon being archived for you). You can also put your own documents on to Kindle and the version I have will read out text if you need it to (the new little one doesn't).

One thing I was a little wary of with Amazon is that you are dependent on the integrity of their archive unless you do your own (which I will).