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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2018-05-12 06:29 pm

The Workhouse

 It's not often that a TV show can make me cry, but I'm currently watching "Call the Midwife" on Netflicks and catching up on earlier seasons that I'd missed.

The last episode of the first season (and one earlier episode as well) focus on the older generation who spend time in the workhouse.

I've done some reading around this period and the programme does not exaggerate.

Families were separated. Husbands from wives, children from their mothers.  Many children died from malnourishment.

The Victorian view was that the poor were responsible for their poverty - only by making workhouse conditions really bad could you stop the lazy wanting to enter them.

There was a lot of variation over time, some times and places were better than others, but saving money was always a strong motive.  Many young children were sold as apprentices to mills in the north or as to chimney sweeps to climb chimneys.   Many of those 'apprentices' would die young. Others were sent overseas as part of colonisation programmes to meet a range of fates (all the way from kind adoptive parents to effective slavery).
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[personal profile] vera_j 2018-05-12 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, I do know this from history.No wonder you cried! And no wonder that those horrible conditions led to utopic ideas. I saw New Lanark as an example, unfortunately we were only passing by. I wish I could visit this place!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Lanark
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[personal profile] kerkevik_2014 2018-05-12 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I recall a radio programme where someone spoke about a parent refusing to go to hospital; rather a particular hospital for any reason because they could remember when it was the Workhouse.

I got the impression if they had been taken there when they couldn't have a say forgiveness would have been very difficult indeed.
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[personal profile] conuly 2018-05-12 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Others were sent overseas as part of colonisation programmes to meet a range of fates (all the way from kind adoptive parents to effective slavery).

The USA equivalent of this was the Orphan Train, with a similar range of results.
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[personal profile] ranunculus 2018-05-13 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
It is a proven fact that --over time-- a company that treats it's workers, customers and suppliers well, will flourish. Companies that go for the short term profit, rarely stay in business long term. Very sadly in the USA these days short term is currently in fashion.
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[personal profile] lexin 2018-05-13 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I studied the period for my degree, and if anything will make one a Socialist, this will. It’s horrifying.
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[personal profile] suenicorn 2018-05-14 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
We got a lot of kids sent here to Australia. They were often told their parents were dead, even if they weren’t. Kids were sent to institutions, separated from siblings, sent to farms or trained as servants, back in the days when we HAD servants here. It was the white equivalent of our Indigenous stolen generation.

As for this attitude that the poor deserve to be that way, there are still wealthy people who think so. I knew one who,was working for the adult equivalent of pocket money - her husband was a pilot and she was the daughter of a tea planter back in the days of the Empire, who had never gone without anything, and this was her opinion.

And there are Tory governments like ours who talk about “getting people back into work” by keeping unemployment benefits below the rate at which people can actually pay their rent and feed their children. That is, encourage these lazy good for nothings to get a job, damn them! Politicians who have never had to go without anything, who went to exclusive private schools, then went straight into politics as soon as they got their law degrees, and will be able to access their superannuation early, while working in the corporate or banking sector when they have been voted out.
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[personal profile] suenicorn 2018-05-14 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
He was lucky to get letters! Most people who are rejected don’t get any form of reply. I rarely did, and I applied for hundreds of jobs before I finally sat for the Public Service exams, then got back into the school system, which I’d left to go overseas for a year. Once,
I got an interview and was told that I was one of only five interviewees of 250 applications!
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[personal profile] lexin 2018-05-14 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been looking for work recently, and rarely got a reply of any kind to my applications. It was heartbreakingly hard.
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[personal profile] lexin 2018-05-14 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
It was one of our set books and I read parts of it for my degree. I should read all of it, one of these days!
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[personal profile] suenicorn 2018-05-14 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry to hear that. It’s infuriating - I know how it feels. Hope something turns up for you.
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[personal profile] pensnest 2018-05-14 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Was that the heartbreaking Christmas episode with the homeless woman whose children were all buried, because they "didn't thrive"? I wept, too.

I saw a horrific programme about workhouses. The perpetual attitude that poor people deserve to be poor and must be punished further for it, which certainly persists to this day, is so horrific. I don't understand it.
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[personal profile] igenlode 2018-05-16 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
Charlie Chaplin allegedly refused to go through the door of the Lambeth workhouse where he and his brother were admitted as children on returning to visit it as an adult...