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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2009-09-30 09:32 am
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Elms

We were playing a RPG last night. I'm GMing for the first time in several decades...

It's a fantasy world but with very little magic.

Last night the local mill exploded.

The subsequent events really made me aware of the age range of my players.  Three of the players didn't even consider sabotage as a possible cause.  Although the youngest player was also playing the character of the greatest degree of suspicion and paranoia, his immediate hunt for footprints on the other side of the river reflected his age and general knowledge rather more than personality of his character.

The older players simply took it for granted that they were dealing with a flour explosion -- and then had to explain to David what a flour explosion was.  He had never had that wonderful physics demonstration, that we all remembered, of how to blow up a custard tin.

Later on in the game, it was to hit me in a different way.  We were discussing the timber necessary to repair the mill.  Different parts of mill machinery use different types of timber.  I was listing them off: Apple oak and elm -- and got a total blank look when I said elm.  He was too young, born before Dutch elm disease destroyed millions of trees.  He'd never seen an elm.

Elm disease was a disaster that could have been greatly reduced if enough people had been willing to take action.  It wasn't a problem that was impossible, and I say that with all the clarity of hindsight.  I know it wasn't impossible becasue Brighton did take action.  Today, Brighton holds the national elm collection and still has hundreds of elm trees in the city.  They maintain an active programme of ensuring infected timber is not brought into the city and that trees are inspected annually and and any infected branches are removed.

I want to visit Brighton, and not just for the pavilion.

[identity profile] jon-a-five.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
Knowing my group they'd have blown up the mill themselves...

So what you're saying is the older a person is the more paranoid and suspicious they are?
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 09:22 am (UTC)(link)
So what you're saying is the older a person is the more paranoid and suspicious they are?

Er, no. It was the young player who assumed sabotage.

I'm saying that older players have better general knowledge, accumulated over time.

[identity profile] jon-a-five.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 09:29 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I see.

[identity profile] twistedanimator.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
oops..

have to admit here I had never ever heard of a flour explosion...

Maybe I've reached the other side and have started forgetting things again..
(actually more likely I never knew.. I wasn't known for my school attendance..)

I knew however that sometimes bread/flour goes off and you can then have a psychedelic experience.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_bomb

That's why old mills always had wooden cogs rather than metal ones - reduced the risk of a spark.

[identity profile] sharikkamur.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Aberdeen (and other parts of north-east Scotland) also still has its elms. I used to walk to work along an elm-lined boulevard. I heard that the reason was that the climate is too cool for the bark beetles to be particularly active, and so easier to control. No doubt this will become more of a problem as the climate warms up.
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[identity profile] duskdragonwing.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
According to a report I saw on the BBC a few weeks ago a few elm proved to be resistent to the beetle. Saplings have been raised from these trees.These are being planted all over the country to see if they are resistent as well and whether geography helps. Some of the saplings are being offered to schools. It would be wonderfull to see elms back in the countryside.

[identity profile] dumain.com (from livejournal.com) 2009-09-30 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I keep thinking that flour explosion and sabotage aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

[identity profile] temeres.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm saying that older players have better general knowledge, accumulated over time.

Don't depend on it. There's a guy in our group, about my age, whose general knowledge - such as he has - seems to come entirely from watching QI. On one occasion I GMed last year, the party entered a town in a region plagued by religious conflict. Lining the street beyond the main gate were loads of women holding up pictures of saints, which they would thrust towards random people entering the town, and anyone who recoiled too sharply would get pounced on by waiting inquisitors. And this guy's response? "Oh, I suppose they want us to buy the paintings." At which point Duncs and I creased up in hysterics.

However, on animated childrens' TV from the 1970s, he's an expert.

[identity profile] sam-t.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
We didn't do flour explosions in Science, but I do know about it - it's one of the things that was mentioned in History lessons when we were looking at London 1665-6.

[identity profile] rockwell-666.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
> Last night the local mill exploded.

It wasn't me, I was somewhere else at the time and I've got witnesses to back me up ;-)

[identity profile] vjezkova.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
This lack of certain knowledge I have experienced too. I am also aware that elms are not known here for the same reason, although fortunately there are still some left - but not common.
I like your RPG!
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for that. I managed to find the page on the BBC website and it was very interesting.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 10:37 am (UTC)(link)
They aren't - but it was interesting to see who leapt to which conclusion first.
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[personal profile] winterbadger 2009-10-01 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I've certainly heard of grain silos exploding!

(Worse, perhaps, is what the insides get like when they've been used for a while. One firend of mine won't eat anything made from wheat because when she was a teenager she did a stint cleaning grain silos...)