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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2008-03-06 09:24 am
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Pentagonal origami boxes

As a few of you will know, I've been happily folding origami boxes of various shapes and sizes since Xmas.  They're complex enough to provide a good focus for relaxation and not so difficult that I can't do them when I'm stressed.  (the shoulder is so bad at the moment that cross stitch, my normal relaxation, is proving painful)

Gradually, I've been finding errata in the book I'm using.  Not too many of them, but enough to make me think about the mathematics behind the way they are folded and why particular folds are necessary to make a box of a particular shape.

The book gives instructions for square, hexagonal and octagonal boxes.  I've been thinking for a while about how to do a pentagonal box and finally succeeded in folding one this morning.  The process reveals several things about the design of some of the other boxes, such as the choice for the depth of the rim.

I had to cheat in one small respect.  Purist origami uses no rulers or protractors.  Playing around with the geometry, I realised that I'd have to measure an angle of 18 degrees to do the first fold (this eventually gets me to the necessary angle of 54 degrees between the base of a side and a line into the centre of the pentagon). 

Playing around with trigonometry, I think I may have found a way of getting an angle of  (almost) 18 degrees without having to use a protractor.  It relies on folding a piece of paper in three.  This isn't that easy to do, but a bit of trial and error will get you there pretty quickly.  Maybe later today, I'll try doing a box that way and see if it works.  (If it's more than a degree out, I'll probably end up with a hole in the centre of the box lid, or else a small dome).

After that, the hard part will be writing down the instructions in a clear manner.  There's some folds that aren't needed other boxes and I need to be able to describe precisely where they are.  I may need to co-opt Richard to draw the diagrams for me as I demonstrate step by step.

I'm sure someone must have done pentagonal boxes before, but I don't see any books that contain instructions on Amazon (one book has a septagonal box - more correctly 'heptagonal').

Has anyone else come across a pentagonal box?

[identity profile] vjezkova.livejournal.com 2008-03-06 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
I admire you deeply for all your numerous skills and for your generous mind - and even the Origami, wow, WOOOOW!
Now I read you even play with triginometry - since now you can consider yourself a half-god!!!

[identity profile] kevinrtaylor.livejournal.com 2008-03-06 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
The ancient Greeks had a method based on the Golden Mean.
My icon shows how.
It's appropriate for origami because you need a square to start with.

This method can be adapted (http://www.ganymeta.org/~darren/origamishapes.php?shape=pentagon) to make a pentagon from a square of paper.
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[identity profile] the-magician.livejournal.com 2008-03-06 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't know if any of these are useful

http://www.ganymeta.org/~darren/origamishapes.php?shape=pentagon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/melisande-origami/
and perhaps best ... but cheating (uses five sided paper!)

http://www.belly-timber.com/2006/04/16/easter-colors-folded-paper/
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2008-03-06 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The last one uses five sided paper as well.

I'll have to take a good look at the how to fold a pentagon one when I'm a touch more with it. That might give some interesting alternatives for box folding.

I've now managed a box and a lid using square paper. 4 sheets in total.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2008-03-06 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL! If it wasn't that it would get squashed in the post, I'd mail you a gift box for that lovely bit of flattery!

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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2008-03-06 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It may end up with too many creases for decorative boxes, but I definitely need to take a closer look at that. The math could be interesting whether or not I can use it to aid in a box fold.

pattern for pentagonal box

(Anonymous) 2010-02-10 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I tried the one in Fantastic Folds, by Andrew Stoker and Sasha Williamson, 1997, but I couldn't make it work!
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Re: pattern for pentagonal box

[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2010-02-10 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The version I came up with is a variation on Fuse's design for a hexagonal box made from two pieces of paper, but I still haven't written down the instructions in a form that anyone else can follow. Maybe I'll give it a shot later this year when I've more free time.

Re: pattern for pentagonal box

(Anonymous) 2010-02-10 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
That was a quick response! I found a nice video online. It is very similar to the Fantastic Folds box.
http://www.easyorigamifoldinginstructions.com/how-to-make-an-origami-gift-box.html

Thanks for your interest in origami.
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Re: pattern for pentagonal box

[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2010-02-11 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
Nice video, though they 'cheat' by not using square paper. If you're allowed to cut the paper to the correct size before you start, then you can solve all the 'angle' problems by just using the right size of paper.

Mind you, you still have to do some interesting math to work out the best size of paper, though it's likely that this particular pentagonal one fell out through trial and error.

Pentagons

(Anonymous) 2010-02-24 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Good lord, the easiest way to get a pentagon-shaped paper is to print one off in a colour you like and cut it out by hand. No extra creases! Unless you're really terrible cutting a straight line, the edges and corners usually line up much better than if you did all those creases to get the desired shape.
Plus you can make the paper any colour or design you want.

F.Saunders